71| Feng Shui & Creating a Supportive Home Environment with Lisa Morton
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Kelsey Redd:Welcome friends to Intentional Motherhood. I am so excited about today's episode because I have an amazing guest with me who's going to talk to us all about how the environment that we surround ourselves with creates an energy that we can either thrive in or that can deplete us, and I can't wait to learn from her, so let's dive into this interview with Lisa Morton. Hi Lisa!
Lisa Morton:Hi Kelsey! Thank you so much for having me!
Kelsey Redd:I'm so excited you're here. Let me just introduce Lisa to you guys a little bit because I want you to know how incredible she is. Lisa Morton is a holistic interior designer, feng shui master teacher, and the creator of the intuitive home method. Lisa Lisa blends thoughtful design with feng shui and energy work to create environments that really support how people live. Her work focuses on helping clients feel more calm and supported in their homes, so that their space enhances their help momentum and overall well-being.
Kelsey Redd:And we're going to mention this again at the end, but Lisa is also an author of a book Aligned at Home, which I am so excited to read. I can't wait to learn more about this, and hey, I've dreamt of starting a book club on this podcast. Maybe that's going to have to be one of our books when we start our book club. So, Lisa, I'm so excited to have you.
Lisa Morton:Oh my gosh. I'm so excited. Thank you for sharing all the wonderful stuff. Makes me kind of blush when I hear people talking about all that, but I
Kelsey Redd:I mean, it's a little bit. It sounds like you went through a lot of work to get reach that level of a master teacher of feng shui. Tell us a little bit about how you went from, you know, just normal career woman in this field of interior design to shifting over into this energy and feng shui and then eventually even progressing into master teacher.
Lisa Morton:So I was doing traditional design. You know, I I got out of design school, and I started doing residential design. I worked for a design firm. And then I fell into what I thought was my dream job, and that was designing private jet interiors for individuals and corporations and things. And it was great fun, but
Kelsey Redd:I bet.
Lisa Morton:It was it was very high stress, very intense, a lot of travel. Some of the expectations with the clients were a little out there. And while it was fun, they it did have to come to an end. I ended up just hitting burnout. And my mental health was really struggling.
Lisa Morton:Am I I just I felt miserable every day. And I'm like, something has to change. That was, I mean, I'd done this for several years. It was who I identified as this designer.
Kelsey Redd:I mean, that sounds like a pretty cool job just by title. It's like luxury private airline designer. Wow.
Lisa Morton:But it was, but then I actually remember having a conversation with a woman who I very much respected and I was struggling. I was like, this isn't my dream. How could I ever leave? And she was like, no job is worth your health. And I knew I was really struggling.
Lisa Morton:So I I ended up leaving that job and it was 2010, and there were we had moved and relocated, and there were, like, no jobs. And I thought I had a killer resume. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm like, well, I'll start my own business.
Lisa Morton:So I moved to a new city. I knew no one. I didn't know any contractors to hire anything about the design community there, but I I had to figure it out. So I I started doing traditional design, going into people's homes just like you expect. And I was still working on myself.
Lisa Morton:Right? I was still doing all the stuff, the yoga, the meditation, walking every day. I altered my diet. I was going to a therapist and doing all those things. But it wasn't until I decided to really approach my environment, my home, that things really started shifting.
Lisa Morton:You see, it had it had the photo shoot ready look. It was beautiful. It was what people expected when they walked into my home. But now with all the information I know, I realized it wasn't supporting the anxious, the stressed out, the irritability that I was going that I was feeling. And so I started studying holistic design and I started studying Feng Shui in 2011 and I did four different certifications.
Lisa Morton:I dove in. I found it to be fascinating. And then two years ago, I did my master teacher training. So now I get to train other individuals in how to how to review someone's home and how to offer consultations. So I I really love to share this work.
Lisa Morton:It's it's can sound woo sometimes or out there. Right? But it's really, really practical. A lot of what I talk about is color. Right?
Lisa Morton:We know color affects our nervous system and our physiology, and we know lighting can affect our mood. And even the furniture arrangement in a space can affect, you know, how we interact with one another. Mhmm. So when you can kind of think of it as in a really grounded way, but then there's also a really woo magical fun approach to this work too.
Kelsey Redd:I love woo woo. I'm here for all the woo and my listeners already know that. They know that I can go on all sorts of tangents about energy and frequency, and so we're here for it all. But you said something that I think was so interesting because you said your house was picture perfect the way you would imagine an interior designer's house is supposed to look and that's, I mean, I feel like now with like Pinterest and social media that's maybe even become even more of a problem, if you want to call it a problem, where we see all these homes on social media that look so pristine and so beautiful and so perfect and so white and so clean, and you know, and it's like, oh, what's wrong with me? Because my home does not look like that.
Kelsey Redd:Right. And so tell me a little bit about the difference between the perfect aesthetic versus the supportive that you mentioned that you had to shift your home into a more supportive way.
Lisa Morton:Yeah. I think we have to all keep in mind that the TV shows and the Instagram photos, these this isn't always real life. I think we always have to remember that. I remember years ago, there was an HGTV show, and there was one time they, like, like, hung a bed from the ceiling. And I'm like, this is not this is not how no designer would ever actually do that.
Lisa Morton:And from that moment on, I'm like, okay. It's all made up. But it is. It's fun and it's entertaining, right? That's what we want.
Lisa Morton:It's entertaining. It's lighthearted. And just keep that in the back of your mind. So in Feng Shui, we work with what's called a five element system. If anyone knows of Chinese medicine, might have heard of this.
Lisa Morton:It's wood, earth, metal, and water. So I will use these five elements to bring alignment and bring harmony into your space. So back then, when I was struggling, I was anxious. I was stressed out. I wasn't sleeping.
Lisa Morton:I had a lot of plants in my bedroom, which is a wood element, which lifts your energy. And then I had a red headboard and it was cute. It was this beautiful fabric. I got it for steel and I made this headboard myself. I was so proud of myself.
Lisa Morton:But now looking back, of course I wasn't sleeping. Of course I was stressed out at night. Of course I was anxious at night. So it's it's really while we love to make things beautiful and I think we can find and kind of find the harmony between making things beautiful and the things that we enjoy and the function well, along with things that are energetically aligned. When we can do that, you know, that that's when we can find that that kinda happy medium space.
Kelsey Redd:Mhmm. So tell me more about the five elements and how they affect our energy and even our nervous system and how we can start to, I mean, if you are able to explain it maybe in a simple way that women can start incorporating certain elements or certain design techniques to create more support at home.
Lisa Morton:Yeah. Oh my gosh. So the five elements follows the cycle of nature. Excuse me. Have a frog in my throat.
Lisa Morton:Follows the cycle of nature. So springtime. Right? We're in spring and the flowers are just underneath the ground ready to burst through. And we've been quiet all winter, and we're ready to move forward and move on to the next thing.
Lisa Morton:So the spring season connects to the wood element, and the wood element is the same energy. It's all about moving forward, renewal, rejuvenation type of feelings. Right? So if you're feeling ill or you feel like you need a refresh, bring some plants into your space or the color green. From there, we move into the season of summer, which connects to the fire element.
Lisa Morton:The fire element is really high energy. I talked about the red headboard. Great for a workout space, great for a higher energy space, but not
Kelsey Redd:Not great for where you want to sleep.
Lisa Morton:I mean, there's a there's a reason that you go to a casino or Chuck E. Cheese and it's red. Right? You don't go to a spa and it's bright red.
Kelsey Redd:It's
Lisa Morton:true. So that's a it's a great element to connect with fire, fireplace, candles, lighting, the color reds and fuchsias, leopard, animal prints, really bold, neon colors. And then from there, move into a fifth season we have, and that is called late summer, and that connects to the earth element. And I think most women, most moms could benefit from more earth in their life. The earth element is all about grounding and stability and, like like, just getting grounded.
Lisa Morton:It's the very root chakra if you're a yogi. Right? Mhmm. So that we can bring in this through the colors of beige and tans and browns and chocolates, natural materials, clay pottery, rocks, crystals. If you have a stone granite countertop, you you have a earth element right there.
Kelsey Redd:Interesting.
Lisa Morton:So you can kinda start to look around your space and see just kinda see what you have.
Kelsey Redd:I know. As you're talking about all this, I'm thinking about my, like, living room, and I'm like, oh, I need I need that. I do not have any of that. I definitely need more of those colors. Yeah.
Lisa Morton:Well, so then from there, we move into fall, which we go from, this high energy, then we're into this mode of collecting our harvest, our bounty, and preparing for those winter months. That's the preparation time where the leaves fall, and this season connects with the metal element. It's precision. It's focus. The animals outside are collecting their food for the winter.
Lisa Morton:We're doing all the prep work, and then we move into winter. And winter connects to the water element. It's very fluid, very just kinda easygoing, creative, inspiring. So that's the five elements and how it follows the cycle of nature. And so we want to be mindful of what's our in our environment and what elements are in our environment.
Lisa Morton:But I remember when I first started studying this, and I'm thinking, oh, I have to have exactly so much percentage of wood and water and fire. And it's not that. I want you to to bring the elements into the space for the activity happening in the space. Right? Because the energy of Chuck E.
Lisa Morton:Cheese is very different than a spa or a library. Right? There are some areas we wanna higher energy and fun. And then other areas, we wanna kinda calm. So you could just kinda look in terms of that.
Lisa Morton:I also wanna make a point here that a lot of people when they learn a little bit about feng shui, I I hear clients or friends or anyone say, oh, well, I heard that's bad feng shui or I heard that's good feng shui. And I encourage people not to think about that. Right or wrong, good or bad. Everything you bring in your home is affecting the energy of your home. It's either going in a good direction or a not good direction.
Lisa Morton:Right? Think of it more of a sliding scale.
Kelsey Redd:Mhmm.
Lisa Morton:So you bring in a a beautiful piece of artwork that just makes you feel overjoyed and that lifts the energy, or you bring in a bunch of sugary cereals and bags of potato chips into your kitchen, well, that's gonna kinda lower the energy.
Kelsey Redd:Mhmm.
Lisa Morton:Or or you have, you know, things that you don't really value, the the lamp that your great aunt gave you and you think you have to keep it even though you think it's hideous.
Kelsey Redd:Right. Yeah. So I'm I'm hearing in what you're saying is kind of what there's almost the intention behind what is in the home because what may be a beautiful piece of art to me and brings my energy up could be hideous to someone else and could bring their energy down. You know, maybe a piece of art isn't the best example because I think there are some pieces of art that are so classic, but maybe the lamp or something. I don't know.
Kelsey Redd:But so it sounds like it really has to do with what you feel from it and what your intention with it is.
Lisa Morton:And I think sometimes, like, moms, busy women, we just wanna get it done. We're just we're overwhelmed. We're stressed out. We wanna get it done. But if you can just slow down for a moment and be like, how do I really feel about this piece?
Lisa Morton:Right? Whether that's a hand on your heart, hand on your belly, take a breath and notice. And you'll know, should I bring this in? Should I not bring this in?
Kelsey Redd:Yeah, I love that. So I was telling you a little bit before we started recording that I'm definitely a minimalist depending on who you talk to. Some people will say a very severe minimalist, very extreme minimalist, and that is true because I find that the less toys and clutter are in my house, the less toys and clutter I have to clean up, so the less the better for me, but I also have started to be a little bit more selective just because I know I'm like, I don't have that many pieces of furniture. I don't have that many anything, clothes, shoes, art. I don't have that many, and so I have to be very selective, but I never thought of it in the way you just described about, you know, like, really thinking like how is this what energy does this bring me?
Kelsey Redd:What frequency does this feel aligned with? But is there I guess I'm just kind of curious, is there a crossover between like minimalism and feng shui or is it totally unique to the person? How I just and I especially as moms of little kids, there's so much stuff. There's just so much stuff. There's toys.
Kelsey Redd:There's so many clothes. There's so many dishes. There's so many things that how do we take this reality that we're living in, but also find supportive ways to deal with it?
Lisa Morton:Oh my gosh. I always suggest that you think of your home. Well, first of all, I encourage all my clients to, to really connect with your home. It's not just this box. Think of it like a family member.
Lisa Morton:Give it a name. We name cars. Why not name your house? Give it a name and talk to it and treat it like a family member. And when you can have that connection, you can you can you can expect more support from it.
Lisa Morton:You can feel the support. You can set up spaces to support your body better. But I really think we should be mindful of what we bring in, whether you're minimalist or even a maximalist, just be mindful of what you're bringing in and make sure it's worthy of being in your space, worthy of being around your energy, worthy of being around the energy of your family, your beautiful family, your children, your pets, or even any guests. Mhmm. And if it isn't worthy, doesn't belong there.
Lisa Morton:I think that's a that's just a quick way you can you can approach some of that. Now I do know, you know, when with little ones, there's all the cute shoes you can't say no to. And I'm like, oh my gosh. The clothes. Right?
Lisa Morton:It is hard, but try to be just really selective and mindful. I always say you want to set yourself up for success. So you put together a plan and you always, if you're clutter clearing or down, you know, downsizing or just getting doing a donation run, right? Think about how you can stay the course beyond that. So set up routines every month.
Lisa Morton:You grab a bag for the donation bin and fill it in ten minutes and walk out the door with it. Right. And take it to deliver it. Right. So set up ways that you can stay the course and that will help.
Kelsey Redd:I like that. Thank you. Yeah. That's I think you bring up a good point about having some routines because it's amazing how and no matter how much you minimize, it's somehow it's like things just reappear and it's like, how did this space get filled up again? I just cleaned it out.
Kelsey Redd:So okay, I have I told you I could talk to you for hours and hours and I love everything that you're talking about because this is so right up my alley. I wanted to also ask you a little bit more about the nervous system regulation because that's something I talk a lot about on my podcast about how to just what we need to do to continually keep our nervous system regulated because as moms, if our nervous system is not regulated then nobody's regulated and so we have to that actually has to be one of the highest priorities is keeping ourselves regulated. So to a mom who is busy with kids, maybe a little overstimulated in her home, what practical tips do you have for that mom?
Lisa Morton:Well, number one, connect with the earth element. And I believe in having it around your space, but then also near your body. So maybe that's throwing on a cozy chocolate brown sweater that day. Right? Or or something or even chocolate brown socks that nobody sees if you don't live from.
Lisa Morton:But I think or or putting some throw pillows or a throw that's beige. Right? It's not loud. It's quiet. It's peaceful.
Lisa Morton:Anything that's really textural is going to be cozy and comfortable to your body. That's going to help. Here's a trick that I love. And that is so one of the tools I use when I'm doing a full assessment of a home and a property is called a ba gua map. And it's a map that depicts, eight different areas plus a center gua, or these are like energy centers.
Lisa Morton:So when I first started getting into this, I was I kinda compared them to, the chakra system of your body. Right? That's what
Kelsey Redd:I was gonna say. Sounds like the chakras. Yeah.
Lisa Morton:Yeah. So when we can think about that, there are more simplified versions of this map, but more traditional version is a rounded shape and you have this center quad. So I would say if you find the center most area of your home Oh. Okay. So if you're a bird in the sky looking down, find the center most area of your home and love on that.
Lisa Morton:So if you were busy and needing some peace, I would add that's a space I would go rather minimalist and cozy, calming, peaceful. Tidy it up. Clean it up. Sweep the floors. Make sure there aren't any spent light bulbs.
Lisa Morton:Wipe down the mirror. Clean off the furniture. Give it some love because this energy center radiates out to everything else.
Kelsey Redd:That is fascinating.
Lisa Morton:So if you have ten minutes today, do it.
Kelsey Redd:That's so interesting because I've often wanted to create some sort of quiet corner in my house, like, whether it's for me or for my kids, know, just like a calm corner, and I've I've actually literally been like, where do I where should I put it? Where should I put it? Where should I put it? And I would have never thought where is the center point of my home? But now that you say that, it's like clicking in my mind like, that's where it should be.
Kelsey Redd:That's where I should probably put that home center.
Lisa Morton:So oftentimes, I'll suggest a different area. So it might just depend on your home. Right? That sometimes the center most area can be a busy space, a more central room. But the word I have for it is I call it a relaxation station.
Kelsey Redd:Oh, that's okay.
Lisa Morton:Dorky, but it works. Right? And I suggest a corner, a chair, a nook that you can set up that has this great little table for your cup of tea. Maybe there's a candle. Maybe there's aromatherapy.
Lisa Morton:There's the comfiest faux fur throw blanket that you can drape over your shoulders, and this is your time. And maybe it's five minutes in this little location, but to take those five minutes and soak it up.
Kelsey Redd:Yeah. Okay. So my my mom brain is going to my kids will destroy it. So what are your thoughts on, like, having the safe space that's mine? Like, that's kind of what I try to do with my bedroom.
Kelsey Redd:Like, this is my space. Like, I'm gonna protect this. I keep my space clean. The rest of the house can be a mess, but at least I know that I can go into my room and, like, that's my retreat versus having this, like, center space, this relaxation station that everyone can enjoy. What are your thoughts on that?
Lisa Morton:I mean, I think do what you can so that it is it remains that relaxing space for you. That every time you go, your body automatically knows like, this is where I can drop my shoulders. This is where I can take a big breath.
Kelsey Redd:It becomes a cue to your nervous system to, this is where we're grounded. This is where we're walking.
Lisa Morton:Love that. Sit down and feel a hug. Really good. So if that is a more private area, I did once, design a meditation space into a walk in closet that was unused for a woman. So you can go in the closet and lock the door.
Lisa Morton:But try to find a space. I love that you mentioned the bedroom because I think the bedroom is so important. I see a lot of people that you have things you don't know where it goes, and it's common that it finds its way to the bedroom. Piles of laundry, randomness. But I really encourage you to think about keeping those things out of the bedroom.
Lisa Morton:Your master bedroom should be devoted to you or you and your partner. It's not a place to bring in all the stuff, all the family photos, all the stuff from everybody else. This is a place for sleep, for connection, and get the laundry out of there. We don't we want to have a very yin space. Mhmm.
Lisa Morton:So we have yin or yang, and those five elements fit into yin or yang. Yin is still and quiet like a spa. Something that's yang is loud and active and Chuck E. Cheese. And when when our bedroom, we want it to be very yin.
Lisa Morton:We want the activities in there to be very yin. So maybe some light stretching at night or some reading, some calming reading. We don't that's not a place to get on your Peloton. That's not as place to and I know some people are pressed for space, and we have to get creative. But it's not a place to sit and do your work because that's using your brain and focusing and thinking.
Lisa Morton:So then it makes it more difficult when it turns into bedtime. We have to, you know, calm down and go to sleep.
Kelsey Redd:Right. I love that you're incorporating not only the elements, the frequencies of those elements, and the energy of those elements, but you're also very much talking about the function and activity of these spaces like you mentioned at the very beginning because, you know, I think, a lot of times we just don't think about it. We just get things done wherever and whenever we can and we don't really have these designations, but it's also not that much harder. My whole podcast is about how to create more peace and presence at home without doing more, without adding more to your to do list, so it's not like now you have to go redecorate your room, now you have to spend thousands of dollars to go redo this, but just be aware of, you know, I'm just gonna keep the pile of clothes of dirty clothes out of my bedroom. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna put a little bit more intentional thought into where I'm doing certain things and what energy, whether it's the yin, softer, you know more quiet and calm energy versus the yang or yang, you know like high energy.
Kelsey Redd:Just being intentional about where we perform those activities based on what we want the space to be used for. But my last question is as far as the children go, because I know my moms are very they're always we're always wanting to do what's best for our kids and so we might even think like, okay, great. I'll take care of my bedroom when I can, but first I want to make sure that my kids can be regulated. What can I do to better regulate my kids? How can I help them?
Kelsey Redd:So what thoughts do you have on, you know, designing spaces and helping children perform best and be most regulated in the home?
Lisa Morton:Can I share a story?
Kelsey Redd:I would love a story.
Lisa Morton:So I had a client who we worked together for a while, and they had a daughter who was six at the time. And, they were having a hard time. Maybe she was seven or yeah. Anyway, roughly that age. And she was not sleeping in her bed.
Lisa Morton:She had this cutest room, like like photo shoot worthy little girl's room. Right? And we got to talking and she this little one had been through a lot of health scares and had had multiple surgeries in her little life. And she was still sleeping though with mom and dad or big sister. Nobody was sleeping is really what the issue was.
Lisa Morton:And so they're like, we need to figure out what to do. She might go to sleep in her room, but she'll wake up screaming.
Kelsey Redd:Oh, poor thing.
Lisa Morton:Okay. So I went in her room and and we kept talking more about, you know, her life and as a little one and everything. And it was interesting because the mom was telling me that when she had her first surgery, that she told the doctors, now I want to be there when she wakes up. So do whatever. I'm I'm gonna be here.
Lisa Morton:Just make sure I'm there when she wakes up. Well, it didn't happen. So you can imagine a little one scared. It's bright. There's lot of commotion.
Lisa Morton:How terrifying. I mean, it's scary for an adult to wake up after a surgery. Right?
Kelsey Redd:Yeah. Poor thing.
Lisa Morton:So I go in her room and it all made sense. Again, it was very cute, but it was neon green and bright pink with a lot of stuff everywhere. So I think what was happening is she'd start to fall asleep being a big girl and then wake up. And the neon, the whole experience was mimicking that waking up in the hospital from the neon mimicking the bright lights to all the stuff on the walls while it was cute. It was a lot of commotion.
Lisa Morton:Right? So while it's so fun to do some kids rooms and the bold colors, If your child is sensitive at all, I always recommend softer, softer colors. As many neutrals, earth colors, beige, tan, brown chocolates as possible. Soft pale green, soft pale blush, soft pale blues. Right?
Lisa Morton:They're feeding off these colors. I mean, I actually do a whole class every once in a free class I do online, and it's called color mastery. And we talk about the psychology of color, the physiological effects of color, and the energetic effects of color. They pick up so much. They're so sensitive.
Lisa Morton:Yeah. And so I would just say be mindful of the colors, bring it as maybe when a little pop of something, but stay rather calm and quiet. Mhmm.
Kelsey Redd:Yeah, definitely. Wow. What an interesting story. I think we do we, and again I'm not totally blaming social media, but I think we get caught up in everything wanting to look a certain way, whether whatever style it is, whether it's the you know pristine white spa style or whether it's the cutesy bright colors, we get very much concerned about I just want this to look perfect and maybe we fail to fully appreciate how much it actually can impact us and our children. So this has been such an amazing conversation and honestly I could talk like I said for another two hours about this No.
Kelsey Redd:And I love okay. So you have an online class about the colors. Yeah. You, have a book that I I'm gonna have linked in the show notes. Tell us a little bit more about your book, and, then tell my listeners where they can find you.
Lisa Morton:Yeah. So my book, I published it last fall and it's called Aligned at Home. And it it starts out there's a I love
Kelsey Redd:that title.
Lisa Morton:There's a couple of chapters that are kinda memoir ish. I talk about how I found this work, and I'm a big believer that I lived I lived the not so great part. Right? So I can understand this. And so now I can help people.
Lisa Morton:So I share about that, but then I also share a lot of information in there. I make feng shui digestible. Sometimes I swear people write books to be like, make it more difficult. I remember reading some of these books thinking this is so difficult. I'm not going to understand it.
Lisa Morton:And now I just there's an easier way to do some of these things. Is there a time and place to dive deep and really have a consultation on your specific home and your specific layout and your specific property? Yes. But the book's a great resource. I do have a podcast called Feng Shui Living, and that's like bite sized twenty minute episodes of here's something you can do this weekend.
Kelsey Redd:That's perfect.
Lisa Morton:I have a lot of fun with that. And then, you can go to my website. It's purelivingwithlisamorton.com and there's access to all the goodies there.
Kelsey Redd:Awesome. Well, we will have links to all of that in the show notes because I know my listeners and myself, we are just gonna be so excited to go learn all about this and to make sure that we are, like you said, setting ourselves up for success in our home. My whole point of this podcast is to teach moms it's not about doing more, it's not about hustling harder, it's not about putting more on your to do list, but it's about living aligned, know, and having alignment within ourselves and within our home and our space so that we can just thrive more without it being more work for us to do.
Lisa Morton:Just make it easy. We can just make it easier sometimes and we don't realize that.
Kelsey Redd:And make it supportive. I love how you use that word supportive, like I want my home to support me in doing the best job I can do as a mom and not make it harder for me. So this has been so great, Lisa. Thank you so much for joining us and like I said listeners make sure you check the show notes below to find links to everywhere to get in touch with Lisa to go find her podcast and to purchase her book and we are so excited about that. Thank you so much for joining us.
Kelsey Redd:Thanks for joining me today on Intentional Motherhood. If you enjoyed this episode, would you take thirty seconds to rate and review it so more and more moms can find this podcast? I'll see you next time and until then remember, you're doing an amazing job.
